While Hernando de Soto, internationally known economics author and president of the Institute for Liberty and Democracy in Lima, Peru, said, "I know very little about housing, but I know about property," many of the speakers have direct contact with housing and private/public partnering. Robert Eychner of Eychner Associates, based here, has been involved in the FIABCI's project to develop homes in Nicaragua. He highlighted the role of philanthropic contributions made to the effort by developers with the creation of pre-fabricated housing for the poor.

Simon Kolesar, deputy chairman of the Royal Institute of Chartered Surveyors Foundation in London, noted even in developed nations, such as his own home in the UK, there are pockets in which there is excessive housing and in turn in which there are shortages. If planning is often disorganized and localized without a big-picture view even in there, the magnitude of the situation in poor nations is highlighted. He suggested it is possible, however, to organize and plan through study, the best use of resources and places for development.

Often development begets development Gilberto Bomeny, a board member of the World Trade Center Associates in Sao Paulo, Brazil, noted. When involved with the WTC construction the Favelas in its shadow were thrust into the spotlight and the disparity between the WTC and the Favelas' abject poverty was made harshly clear. As a result though, improved housing was created.

John McIlwain of the Urban Land Institute, who has also served as an official with the Fannie Mae Foundation, highlighted the successful partnership between the private sector and the government from the federal to the local level. He said the US has a history of such partnerships, resulting in such projects as the recent rehabilitation of the Clifton Terrace apartment building in Washington, DC, a victim of the 1968 rioting. He said the building was largely vacant, but thanks to a for-profit developer, non-profit organizations, Fannie Mae, HUD and the US Treasury through local levels, the project came together. He noted tax credits and bonds, syndicated and sold by private financers, are key.

Harnando de Soto argued, however, "the poor are doing better than we think they are." While he did not say no housing projects should be undertaken, he said the poor hold more in real estate assets than most would realize.

Outlining a global study undertaken, de Soto said it isn't that the poor lack real estate, but the liquidity to use as collateral. He argued that in developed nations, the difference between the metaphysical concept of capital and the solid existence of real estate is bridged in that the real estate's true value is not in the soil or the building on it, but the titles and paperwork that assign legitimized value to it.

While quoting Kant's theory that humans can only deal with issues in representations, he joked that while in Indonesia he was inclined to believe the dividing line between property and claim to ownership could be determined by "which dog was barking" as one passed. If one wants to establish who owns what, de Soto jestingly suggested, "ask Indonesia's dogs."

His thesis met with concern, as even Ambassador Mahbubani commented, "I don't know whether to feel optimistically or pessimistically after hearing you speak." One audience member from an African delegation responded to de Soto's comments, saying, "It's a dazzling theory, but a dangerous one. I'm getting increasingly concerned." His impassioned comments about the flaws of capitalism and the plight of the poor led to an emotional, and increasingly heated, debate, which closed the meeting.

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