El Warner

Grocery-anchored shopping centers have become a popular retail asset class in the last few years as investors looked for properties that would be Internet resistant. Recently, however, there has been an increase in demand for non-anchored grocery centers as well. Increased prices for grocery-anchored centers are a major factor in this trend, but retail investors are also finding value in retail beyond daily needs. Matthews Real Estate Investment Services recently brokered a deal for Del Oro Marketplace, a 102,000-square-foot shopping center in Oceanside, for $41.7 million and a cap rate of 4.92% in a deal that highlights the trend. We sat down with Matthews Real Estate Investment Services EVP El Warner, who represented the seller in the deal with associate Caitlin Zirpolo, for an exclusive interview to talk about the recent deal and why investors are opening up to non-grocery-anchored shopping centers.

GlobeSt.com: Grocery-anchored and daily-needs shopping centers are among the most sought-after retail assets. This sale is interesting because it is a non-grocery-anchored center. Tell me about the investment activity and demand for non-grocery anchored shopping centers in San Diego last year.

El Warner: Due to the daily needs draw a grocery store provides, grocery-anchored shopping centers have typically been the preferred retail investment since the last recession; however today we are seeing that other well located retail assets can also sell at a premium. In the past year, we have sold approximately a dozen non-grocery-anchored assets in San Diego. Pricing was extremely strong for each of the transactions. For shopping centers, pricing comes down to two major factors: 1) E-commerce proof retailers 2) location within the submarket. Due to the tremendous lack of supply of properties for sale in San Diego County, having the right combination of these two factors can result in premium pricing for an asset.

GlobeSt.com: On this particular asset you got a record cap rate. How has demand for these affected pricing and cap rates in general?

Warner: Despite public perception, demand for retail is strong from investors looking for better yields than other asset classes. As I said, there is and will continue to be demand for well located retail assets and we pushed pricing based on telling the right story to the right buyer pool that had pent up demand for this asset class. With that said, we have seen upward pressure on cap rates in most Southern California markets due to increases in interest rates. San Diego has been somewhat insulated based on the continued demand to own in this market and the lack of supply.

GlobeSt.com: Why did you choose to sell the Walgreens on the property separately?

Warner: Since the center was not encumbered by one loan, my partner Caitlin Zirpolo and I made the recommendation to my seller that we market and sell the Walgreens separately because we believed we could target two different types of buyers and maximize value for my client. During our analysis, we determined that a Walgreens buyer would not have the capital or desire to buy a multi-tenant large shopping center and a shopping center buyer would not pay the low cap rate for the single-tenant Walgreens. While a lot of brokers understand the theory, the actual execution of a multiple sale disposition can be very difficult. In this case, we created a 10% premium for the seller by using this approach, which translates to real money (± $4M), so it was completely worth the challenging process. For buyers acquiring assets that are separately parceled, I would highly suggest placing debt on each parcel individually to positively impact the potential exit strategy and pricing.

GlobeSt.com: What does demand for non-grocery-anchored shopping centers say about trends in retail, especially considering competition with ecommerce? Are these riskier investments?

Warner: It's all about location, tenancy, and fundamentals. Value is very simple but people seem to somehow over complicate it. Properties that are restaurant or entertainment/gym oriented and well located with rents at or below market will continue to sell at a premium. In fact, I will not be surprised when certain non-grocery-anchored centers start selling at lower cap rates versus grocery anchored centers. The sale of Del Oro Marketplace at a 5.08% cap is proof that this trend is happening and I believe it will continue in core markets across the country.

GlobeSt.com: Where do you see activity and demand for these segment of the retail sector heading this year?

Warner: Cap rates have risen by over 10% in the past 12 months due to the increases in cost of capital. We continue to see cap rates rise along with interest rates. However, I do believe that both a well-located grocery and non-grocery-anchored center will fare better than the market due to the continued demand and lack of supply. Also, by being creative on how you maximize the sale of an asset you may even be able to out-perform the market or the top of the market. The strategy on Del Oro is proof that with creative marketing and exit flexibility, well-located assets can trade at a premium. This sale is more of an exception to the rule than the trend. It is the broker's job to be creative in order to deliver the exception versus the norm.

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Kelsi Maree Borland

Kelsi Maree Borland is a freelance journalist and magazine writer based in Los Angeles, California. For more than 5 years, she has extensively reported on the commercial real estate industry, covering major deals across all commercial asset classes, investment strategy and capital markets trends, market commentary, economic trends and new technologies disrupting and revolutionizing the industry. Her work appears daily on GlobeSt.com and regularly in Real Estate Forum Magazine. As a magazine writer, she covers lifestyle and travel trends. Her work has appeared in Angeleno, Los Angeles Magazine, Travel and Leisure and more.