PCBC Capital Markets--Debt & Equity panel |

SAN DIEGO—Banks have had lots of changes to deal with over the last 24 months, and lenders are constraining capital, but clients are still seeking higher LTVs, making finance executives work harder to get the same leverage, said speakers at PCBC last week. During the “Capital Markets—Debt & Equity” session, panelists talked about the lending climate for apartments, the challenges borrowers and banks face and the outlook for the future.

Moderator Jeff Zuckerman, regional CFO—West for Alliance Residential Co., asked the panel if it's been harder to get deals done in the last six months. Shlomi Ronen, principal and founder of Dekel Capital, said there have been lots of changes on the banking side in the last 18 to 24 months. Lenders are constraining capital, but clients still want 70% loan-to-value, while the banks are moving toward 65% LTV. “It's more work to get the same leverage,” said Ronen.

Bill Chiles, EVP of CBRE, said he has noticed the same thing. “You have to answer a lot more questions and dig a lot deeper” to get deals done. He added, “There's a home for every deal; it comes down to price. You're looking for the right capital for the right transaction.”

Kim Edwards, executive director of real estate banking for J.P. Morgan, said, “Regulators are looking at our growth, and there has been some pullback.” She adds that there has been some slowing in rent growth, which presents a challenge from a profitability standpoint.”

Mark Forbes, head of real estate for City National Bank, said, “Any pullback we're feeling is around market uncertainty.” Edwards commented that the gap is narrowing, and everybody is chasing down long-term debt as interest rates begin to rise.

Zuckerman asked, if debt funds are getting into construction lending, are they able to charge more fees? Edwards said pricing for construction lending—rates and fees, plus exit fees—is rising and that pricing has changed dramatically in the last few years.

Forbes said his firm is a relationship bank and there has been no change in underwriting, but Ronen said the banks are definitely doing a deeper dive.

Zuckerman asked how selectivity of lenders has affected borrowers' access to the panelists' firms' product lines. Ronen said, “I always advise clients to have three good relationship lenders to find the right capital for the right deal because lending criteria change.” He added that the sale process has lengthened, so borrowers need to start the process earlier and spend time creating those relationships.

Zuckerman asked, with more people chasing the same deals and chasing yield, how do the panelists feel about appraisals? Edwards said, “Everyone has horror stories about appraisals,” but having a list of approve appraisers helps. She added that the firm is operating mostly in primary and secondary markets.

Ronen said his firm is not averse to doing legwork and research to try to guide clients as best it can “because people are busy.”

Zuckerman asked about locations where there is more opportunity in the market, and Ronen said his firm likes secondary markets better than primary since there are more likely to be some areas of undersupply to present more opportunities. Regarding urban versus suburban markets, Edwards said this is a micro-market discussion, but with many urban markets being so expensive, the suburbs often make sense.

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Carrie Rossenfeld

Carrie Rossenfeld is a reporter for the San Diego and Orange County markets on GlobeSt.com and a contributor to Real Estate Forum. She was a trade-magazine and newsletter editor in New York City before moving to Southern California to become a freelance writer and editor for magazines, books and websites. Rossenfeld has written extensively on topics including commercial real estate, running a medical practice, intellectual-property licensing and giftware. She has edited books about profiting from real estate and has ghostwritten a book about starting a home-based business.

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